19:25:50 From Bonnie : This is Bonnie Boothroyd. I can see my name "Bonnie" up, but I can't see myself. I can hear other people, but can't be heard evven tho I un-muted myself. Any ideas? Pamela, do you see an arrow to the right of the people you can see? Try pressing the arrow. 19:26:41 From Cathie : @Bonnie, what kind of computer are you using? 19:26:45 From laurasilverman : Bonnie should make sure that the video icon in the lower left is active. 19:27:33 From Bonnie : I see the video icon, but the only choice is "Stop Video" 19:28:15 From laurasilverman : Bonnie, that should mean that the video is working. Do you see the green light that would indicate that your computer’s camera is on? 19:29:36 From Liz Opp : Our Minneapolis group has 4 people so far; one more may join us soon 19:30:10 From sharonpbarr to eileenflanagan1@gmail.com (Privately) : I am going to hide myself because I need to eat dinner— Sharon 19:30:31 From Julie Maslov : Hi, I’m Julie from PA 19:45:06 From Dave French (he/him/his) [Aspers PA - near Gettysburg] : Please mute everyone 19:47:54 From Rebs : tree 19:47:55 From Kaytee Ray-Riek : ooh coffee! 19:47:59 From martha barss : rich white man’s coffee 19:48:03 From Carol's iPad : wow! coffeeeeeee!! 19:48:04 From Julie Maslov : expensive! 19:48:04 From Cynthia : beautiful tree, blue sky, coffee 19:48:05 From s scott chandler : A beautiful tree 19:48:14 From agathaandrews : Coffee! 19:48:19 From Philobate : wow that's a big sign 19:48:20 From Linda : I see Starbucks!!! 19:48:20 From agnesmoriuchi : coffee, but I don’t like Starbucks! 19:48:24 From Claudia Wilson : coffee, but expensive. 19:48:26 From Margaret : The tree is covering the sign. 19:48:31 From Carolyn : Ooh, the tree looks nice . 19:48:44 From Jane P : Beautiful blue sky Corp coffee 19:52:56 From Cynthia : yep same assumption 19:52:59 From Gabrielle W. : I did oo 19:53:01 From Nathan Rein : i made thesame assumption 19:53:04 From Gabrielle W. : too 19:53:11 From Rebs : strangely, i assumed it was the woman 19:56:57 From Leslie Shah : Do you want us to web chat or talk it? 19:57:02 From Gabrielle W. : 2 times with black men. When I think of it I feel shame, regret and a not a little disgust directed at myself. 19:57:11 From s scott chandler : Oh oh me me pick me 19:57:51 From Cathie : I got sick on a trip to the Pacific and had to go to a clinic. Was greeted by a young man in a Hawaiian shirt and shirts. I assumed he was just another patient. He was the ER doc. Every time I remember it, I laugh at myself. 19:58:19 From Anne Hunt : seeing someone with colorful hair, red, blue etc. and feeling they must not be serious. 19:58:27 From agnesmoriuchi : I’m Asian american. When I was traveling in Thailand, a Thai person “spoke” to me not the white man I was with. 19:58:31 From Jane P : Assumed won A 19:59:36 From Jane P : assumed a woman in cut off shorts at folk fest was a liberal progressive but instead she turned out to be a Trump supporter. I was shocked & felt foolish 20:01:17 From Leslie Shah : hand raise! 20:03:49 From laurasilverman : My neighbor is African American and a bodybuilder. He is also a concert pianist. I have not previously encountered a classical musician who looks like that and was embarrassed at my surprise when I found out his profession. 20:10:42 From MaryLou : harder, takes more focus 20:10:43 From laurasilverman : Harder! you have to look more closely at each card. 20:10:49 From Kaytee Ray-Riek : goes against natural inclination 20:10:49 From Carolyn : The second sort would be much more difficult. 20:10:51 From agathaandrews : The second is harder, because you have to notice shape, not just color. 20:10:55 From Rebs : i’d get confused on the second task - would definitely make at least one mistake 20:10:56 From Cathie : Tough — not as simple as sorting by color. 20:10:56 From Anne Hunt : it takes more effort to sort the 2nd way 20:10:57 From s scott chandler : separating by color is more organic and natural. It goes much faster. 20:10:59 From Leslie Shah : realizing that a heart and a spade look very similar 20:10:59 From Nathan Rein : you have to ignore the colors for the second sort 20:11:01 From Cynthia : I'm sure I'd be slower on the second task, but the shapes of the hearts and spades are similar enough to help 20:11:04 From Gabrielle W. : Agree. 20:11:05 From lornahowley : takes longer because you have to look at symbols rather than color 20:11:30 From Pamela Terrien : I think you would need more focus for the second 20:14:11 From Carolyn : How do people show "preference"? 20:14:36 From agathaandrews : Carolyn, by how quickly they sort 20:14:38 From laurasilverman : Carolyn, if I understand correctly, it has to do with response of timing. 20:14:50 From laurasilverman : I meant timing of responses. 20:15:52 From Nathan Rein : @Carolyn: a subject who shows "preference" for European Americans is able to more quickly sort the words/faces when they are grouping "European American" and "good". When they are grouping "European American" and "bad," they are slower and clumsier 20:15:54 From Rebs : with you 20:16:38 From s scott chandler : There is a great pod cast on invisibilia called The Culture Within. Very pertinent to this discussion of implicit bias 20:17:02 From Leslie Shah : did the biases change after the 2008 and 2012 election? 20:17:33 From Nathan Rein : very little, from what i understand. the attitudes are quite durable 20:17:35 From laurasilverman : Thanks @s scott chandler! Eileen will put together a list of resources and send them around as a follow up. This is a great one to include. 20:18:37 From Nathan Rein : connie chung went to my high school and i love her 20:19:44 From Gabrielle W. : whoa! 20:20:06 From laurasilverman : very cool! 20:20:35 From Gabrielle W. : I remember this going nearly viral. 20:29:45 From Kaytee Ray-Riek : (and is still now, we’re seeing more post charlottesville…) 20:30:18 From Gabrielle W. : Yes, coming out of the Charlottesville crisis -- cops on video as Klansmen 20:33:18 From Nathan Rein : Laura (or Eileen), any chance you could send out some of the source material for what Eileen is saying right now? 20:33:25 From Leslie Shah : Sometimes grades when white folk and sometimes SAT when white folks? Reason changed? 20:35:09 From laurasilverman : Hi Nathan. Eileen will send a follow-up email with resources and I’ll suggest she include references in there. Thank you for that. 20:35:20 From Nathan Rein : awesome. thank you 20:37:33 From Rebs : do you mind posting the questions one more time? 20:38:05 From laurasilverman : Questions: what rings true that you have heard so far? 20:38:13 From laurasilverman : And: Is there anything you have heard that is troubling? 20:38:23 From agnesmoriuchi : hand up 20:38:41 From Rebs : thank you 20:38:54 From Liz Opp : I’m troubled by how many white folks disconnect from implicit bias as a form of racism — an unwillingness to admit it is 20:39:17 From Gabrielle W. : Rings True: White/European bias even by people of non-white background. Troubling: See above, and the "Forever Foreigner Syndrome" 20:40:02 From Leslie Shah : hand up 20:40:46 From Nathan Rein : what's troubling is how intractable these phenomena seem to be. i am completely convinced by the idea of implicit bias. it appears that the only way to defeat these tendencies is via social engineering (e.g., the audition screen, avoiding asking for demographic data, etc.). it seems like it's nearly impossible to change the way people think 20:40:48 From s scott chandler : Bias is systemic and perasive and they are deeply ingrained in us individually and communally. It's a problem. 20:41:22 From Cathie : What you describe about police sounds on target. I think a lot of cops are really trying to do a good job, but between the stress of the job, making a decision in the heat of the moment, and the existence of implicit bias — it’s disheartening/discouraging because it points to the difficulty of trying to reduce the number of shootings of innocent individuals. 20:41:27 From Rebs : nathan, i would disagree. i think, for one, exposure to diversity has the possibility of changing our implicit biases. 20:41:34 From Julia isaacs : troubling. seeing guns that are not there and the police killing people. troubling. young african americans like my granddaughter internalizing negative virwa od their abilities. 20:42:00 From Jeff Perkins : This certainly is true to my experience. Will we talk a bit about how to counter implicit bias within ourselves? 20:42:08 From Rebs : although i do agree that these are deeply ingrained issues, and will take effort and time to uproot 20:42:54 From bob p : Not todiminish the issue of implicit bias, is there any sense in the research of how an improvemwnt might lead to progress on the issues in law, economic policy, education and health care. 20:43:13 From Nathan Rein : when i took it, it said i was slightly biased in favor of african americans. this surprised me 20:43:17 From jennhallam : Are the IAT test scores analyzed by age at all? Just curious as to whether there are any generational differences. 20:43:23 From s scott chandler : How does one develop that exposure Rebs mentioned. My brother sends his kids to an exclusive private school.. No diversity 20:44:27 From Leslie Shah : Yes question! 20:44:35 From Rebs : s scott - if face-to-face contact isn’t possible, exposure to diverse media (writing, television, film, instagram, podcasts, art, etc) made by people with backgrounds/identities different from our own — is just one way! 20:45:44 From Carolyn : It is just so insidious. It can be revealed my just a facial expression. I know I'm always surprised when someone non-Asian is fluent in Chinese. But when one of my colleagues, who was African-American was also fluent in Chinese, I'm sure my face showed my extreme surprise. 20:46:41 From s scott chandler : socio-economic ones as well 20:47:21 From laurasilverman : @Leslie: if there’s not time for your question before 9, Eileen said she’d take a little extra time at the end. So hang on! 20:53:32 From bob p : A current example of this is thed Voice! 20:53:51 From laurasilverman : Good one, Bob! 20:55:33 From Nathan Rein : you don't do the old trick of grading papers by throwing them down the stairs and seeing which step they land on? 20:55:45 From Rebs : haha 20:56:53 From s scott chandler : I plan on making the suggestion to my school board here in Mesa 20:57:17 From Leslie Shah : Kerry don’t bounce around so much. If you hold still it helps. 20:57:24 From s scott chandler : The redaction of any bias prone info in the initial process. 20:59:24 From laurasilverman : That’s great, Scott! 21:00:06 From s scott chandler : The Antidefamation league offers programs to address this. Our school is persuing with them 21:00:09 From Jude Smithey : Thanks Eileen! 21:00:23 From Jane P : Thank You to all! Peace! 21:00:31 From Gabrielle W. : This was incredibly useful and worthwhile. Thank you so much. 21:00:33 From Jeff Perkins : thanks Eileen, great session! 21:00:48 From Nathan Rein : 👍 21:00:51 From Jackie M : Thank you! this was really helpful to reflect and think on. i appreciate it very much! 21:00:54 From Linda : Thank you Eileen! 21:00:56 From jennhallam : Thanks, Eileen and Laura! 21:00:58 From agathaandrews : Looking forward to resources and readings. 21:01:00 From Cathie : Really helpful information. Thank you! 21:01:00 From margaret : thank you, eileen amd laura. 21:01:07 From agathaandrews : Thanks so much! 21:01:09 From Mary Beth’s iPad : thank you have a good night. 21:01:18 From laurasilverman : Great to see former students! Thanks all. 21:01:18 From dianahunt57 : Thank you very much. 21:01:38 From Julia isaacs : thx 21:01:44 From Nathan Rein : that was intense 21:02:12 From Maureen : Thank you, Eileen! The image of clogged spiritual arteries is helpful. 21:02:37 From lornahowley : thank you! I feel I have some ideas on ways to focus change in myself and workplaces 21:02:56 From Rebs : thank you!! 21:02:57 From Nathan Rein : no small groups. just dispense wisdom pls 21:02:58 From MaryLou : fine with me 21:03:04 From Carolyn : Yes, I 21:03:10 From s scott chandler : thanks i love that. 21:03:12 From Leslie Shah : got to go. but do have a question. 21:03:13 From Julia isaacs : yes small groips 21:03:17 From Denise Pegrem : NO SMALL GROUPS 21:03:23 From Carolyn : I'd like to be in a small group. How does that wrk? 21:03:38 From s scott chandler : Could you mention ADL and what they do? 21:04:46 From Nathan Rein : if you've got a list of resources that are free of charge or low-cost, suitable for community groups with no budget, i'd love to see it 21:05:10 From Lynne Heritage : I'd like to take the IDL test. Where is it available? 21:05:24 From Nathan Rein : the tests are all at http://implicit.harvard.edu 21:05:43 From Lynne Heritage : thanks 21:05:46 From laurasilverman : Nathan: I’ll see what Eileen has. I also encourage anyone else on the call has anything that fits the bill, please weigh in. 21:06:03 From Nathan Rein : thanks! 21:06:36 From Nathan Rein : i'm also interested in knowing more about stereotype threat and specifically how to combat that 21:06:36 From laurasilverman : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aversive_racism 21:08:12 From Nathan Rein : that's a great way to put it 21:08:35 From laurasilverman : Here’s a piece about stereotype threat. 21:08:53 From laurasilverman : Suggestions on how to combat it start on page 12. 21:08:56 From laurasilverman : http://diversity.arizona.edu/sites/diversity/files/stereotype_threat_overview.pdf 21:09:01 From s scott chandler : Good Night all. Thanks Eileen and Laura 21:09:20 From Denise Pegrem : Good night. Thank you 21:10:07 From Nathan Rein : goodnight everybody! Thanks Eileen and Laura 21:10:48 From laurasilverman : All: if you can’t hear each other, click on “chat” to communicate that way. 21:24:53 From Bonnie : At end of last class, I could be heard but not heard. So I think Laura was suggesting that someone at Zoom might be able to tell me what's going on before this happens next time. 21:25:35 From Carolyn : I like the idea of putting images up on my wall of people I admire who are people of color. 21:25:36 From Bonnie : I meant I could be seen but not heard. 21:26:34 From Carolyn : Does it cost anything to take the IAT test? 21:26:54 From Carolyn : Thanks, Eileen!